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Lucas Moura

Postby PES Stats Database » 2010 Nov 09, 02:18

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Re: LUCAS (Discussing Thread)

Postby tamaguchi_japa » 2010 Nov 09, 02:20

well there is some almost same values like ATT, RES, AGI, SA...

what do u guys think? what is better in each set?

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Re: LUCAS (Discussing Thread)

Postby renatomm » 2010 Nov 09, 02:47

i liked yours tama, just would do some tweaks:
Balance: -1 => same as Marlos
Dribble Accuracy: +1 => same as Marlos, 1 point higher than Dagoberto
Technique: -1 => same as Marlos, 1 point lower than Dagoberto
i'm considering Marlos new set that has many agrees, but hasn't been updated yet

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Re: LUCAS (Discussing Thread)

Postby Anders » 2010 Nov 09, 12:11

Agree with:

Position: AM*, SS (rotchild and Tama set)

Attack: 75 (rotchild and MullerB sets)
Defence: 42 (Tama set)
Balance: 75 (Renatomm suggestion)
Stamina: 79 (rotchild set, but IMO +1 or +2 points here)
Top Speed: 84 (Tama set)
Acceleration: 87 (Tama set, but IMO -1 point here)
Response: 78 (rotchild and Tama sets)
Agility: 86 (MullerB and Tama sets)
Dribble Accuracy: 86 (rotchild set)
Dribble Speed: 85 (Tama set)
Short Pass Accuracy: 78 (MullerB set)
Short Pass Speed: 78 (Tama set)
Long Pass Accuracy: 78 (Tama set, IMO maybe +1)
Long Pass Speed: 75 (MullerB and Tama sets)
Shot Accuracy: 74 (Tama set)
Shot Power: 78 (rotchild and Tama sets)
Shot Technique: 74 (rotchild set)
Free Kick Accuracy: 71 (rotchild set)
Curling: 77 (Tama set)
Header: 68 (rotchild set)
Jump: 73 (MullerB set, but IMO +1 point here)
Technique: 84 (Tama set)
Aggression: 80 (rotchild set, but IMO +2 or +3 points here)
Tenacity: 74 (MullerB set)
Keeper Skills: 50 (ALL sets)
Team Work: 75 (rotchild and Tama sets, but IMO +2 points here)

Injury Tolerance: B (ALL sets)
Form: 6 (rotchild and Tama sets)
WFA: 5 (MullerB set)
WFF: 5 (ALL sets)


PLAYER INDEX CARDS:
P05 – Trickster (rotchild and Tama sets)
S02 – Passer (rotchild set)

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Re: LUCAS (Discussing Thread)

Postby rafzin » 2010 Nov 09, 13:04

Wow 4 set's :lol:. This is my set IMO he deserve SMF position too and i'm not sure about all cards in my set.

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Attack: 76
Defence: 44
Balance: 74
Stamina: 81
Top Speed: 84
Acceleration: 86
Response: 78
Agility: 85
Dribble Accuracy: 83
Dribble Speed: 85
Short Pass Accuracy: 78
Short Pass Speed: 78
Long Pass Accuracy: 79
Long Pass Speed: 76
Shot Accuracy: 73
Shot Power: 81
Shot Technique: 75
Free Kick Accuracy: 68
Curling: 74
Header: 71
Jump: 76
Technique: 83
Aggression: 84
Mentality: 75
Keeper Skills: 50
Team Work: 78

Injury Tolerance: B
Condition/Fitness/Form: 6
Weak Foot Accuracy: 5
Weak Foot Frequency: 5
Consistency: 6

CARDS:
S01
S06
S14
S17
P03

SPECIAL ABILITIES:
*Dribbling
*Tactical Dribble


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Re: LUCAS (Discussing Thread)

Postby pedala robinho » 2010 Nov 09, 13:16

Completely disagree with DA 86. He hasn't show enough to deserve this high value. Do you realize that would put him on mid-top of brazilian league? Philippe Coutinho will have a 86 on the updated planned to him, and IMO he has shown a better close control than Lucas. I'm not saying Lucas haven't the potential, much for other hand. But you're going too much high with his DA, I see Giuliano at 83, so, IMO the max. acceptable to Lucas is 85, and I would even go with 84 for DA. He uses much more agility, explosion and speed to outpass the defenders. Reminds to me a bit of Douglas Costa on the style of dribbling.

About his first touch (technique), I would go with 84, one point above Giuliano, and I'm sure we'll go even further on the future. Aggression also at 84, really incisive player and is always on the environs of opponent box.

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Re: LUCAS (Discussing Thread)

Postby tamaguchi_japa » 2010 Nov 09, 14:33

@AGG: well about agg 84, i've done lots of tests, and with AGG: 84 he dont go foward to much for a AMF, and he go a lot in real life, for me best value i could find is 86.

@DA: for DA i would really dont go above 83, he doesn't show better control than Dentinho, Paulo Baier or Maicosuel.

@Tech: i wouldn't go higher than 84, because in my update coutinho have 86, so i dont see lucas with 85, imo 84 is more correct.

@rafzin, i could agree and i was thinking about SMF.

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Re: LUCAS (Discussing Thread)

Postby tamaguchi_japa » 2010 Nov 09, 14:35

renatomm wrote:i liked yours tama, just would do some tweaks:
Balance: -1 => same as Marlos
Dribble Accuracy: +1 => same as Marlos, 1 point higher than Dagoberto
Technique: -1 => same as Marlos, 1 point lower than Dagoberto
i'm considering Marlos new set that has many agrees, but hasn't been updated yet


agree with BB, but imo in DA and TECH he is in pair with Dagoberto.

PS: i've updated marlos 1st post.
PS²: i've update my lucas set before comparing some values with Marlos' set.

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Re: LUCAS (Discussing Thread)

Postby rotchild » 2010 Nov 09, 16:06

Hey guys, thanks for the feedback...

Yes, I think tama's set is the most accurate, I'd only like to make some considerations, like for example, the reason for his stamina being 79 is because he has been subbed many times, because he runs the whole time, and against Cruzeiro and other teams, he got tired by the 25-30th minute of the 2nd half.

I also agree with pedala that maybe his dribbling accuracy is a little too high, yes. And he made good remarks about his dribbling skills and speed. I also think my short passing accuracy are maybe high on 80, but I'm not sure. He has show great passing ability, giving goal assists with some frequency. Maybe 79 with the *Passing (S02 Passer) star is justifiable. I just didn't understood raf's cards, so many... I forgot what they mean, man :) Can you edit the post?

So to sum it up:


Position: AM*, SM, SS
Nationality: Brazilian _bra
Age: 18 (13/08/1992)

Foot: R
Side: B

Length: 172 cm
Weight: 66 kg

Attack: 75
Defence: 42 (tama)
Balance: 74 (muller)
Stamina: 79
Top Speed: 84 (tama)
Acceleration: 87 (tama)
Response: 78 (tama)
Agility: 86 (tama)
Dribble Accuracy: 84 (pedala)
Dribble Speed: 85 (tama)
Short Pass Accuracy: 80
Short Pass Speed: 78
Long Pass Accuracy: 79
Long Pass Speed: 77
Shot Accuracy: 74 (tama)
Shot Power: 78
Shot Technique: 76 (tama)
Free Kick Accuracy: 71
Curling: 77
Header: 70 (tama)
Jump: 76 (tama)
Technique: 85
Aggression: 86 (tama)
Tenacity: 76 (tama)
Keeper Skills: 50
Team Work: 75

Injury Tolerance: B
Form: 6
WFA: 6
WFF: 4 (tama)


PLAYER INDEX CARDS:
P05 – Trickster
P12 – Incisive Run (tama)
S02 – Passer

SPECIAL ABILITIES:
*Dribbling
*Passing

Do you guys have anything to input about passing skills?

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Re: LUCAS (Discussing Thread)

Postby tamaguchi_japa » 2010 Nov 09, 18:18

raf cards is according to pes2010 and my memory:

Reaction
Outside
Quick Turn
Elastico
Classic n.10

between i've updated my set again after my new tests with rot suggestions.

what u guys think now? we are close to an agreement i think ;)

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Re: LUCAS (Discussing Thread)

Postby rafzin » 2010 Nov 09, 19:40

tamaguchi_japa wrote:raf cards is according to pes2010 and my memory:

Reaction
Outside
Quick Turn
Elastico
Classic n.10

between i've updated my set again after my new tests with rot suggestions.

what u guys think now? we are close to an agreement i think ;)

No tama the cards is for pes2011
S01 - Marauding
S06 - Outside Curve
S14 - Speed Merchant
S17 - Flip Flap Skills
P03 - Trickster

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Re: LUCAS (Discussing Thread)

Postby rotchild » 2010 Nov 10, 00:22

Damn, they changed the cards again for PES 2011? I guess the ones I posted are from PES 2010, right? :(

Well, I'll leave that up to you guys, I'm still on PES6 :) And to that, I guess the Dribbling* and Passing* stars are the ones he deserve.

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Re: LUCAS (Discussing Thread)

Postby tamaguchi_japa » 2010 Nov 10, 01:31

well, about cards, i dont know if he deserve speed merchant, maybe he deserve it. about outside, i dont think he warrant it yet, same as flip flap (elastico) or reaction.

i'll test it tomorrow with Speed merchant + reaction, just speed merchant and just reaction and then i post what i think here ;)

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Re: LUCAS (Discussing Thread)

Postby Odi1981 » 2010 Nov 10, 02:48

My humble considerations, in my game he looks more like the stats based on Japa Tamaguchi stats:

Attack: 75 >>>>>76
Defence: 42>>>>>>36
Balance: 74>>>>>>>>>77
Stamina: 80>>>>>>>>83
Top Speed: 84>>>>>>>>>>85
Acceleration: 87>>>>>>ok
Response: 78>>>>>>>77
Agility: 86>>>>>>>ok
Dribble Accuracy: 84>>>>>>>>>>>ok
Dribble Speed: 85 >>>>>>>>>>>>ok
Short Pass Accuracy: 79
Short Pass Speed: 78
Long Pass Accuracy: 78>>>>>>>>81
Long Pass Speed: 77>>>>>>>>>74
Shot Accuracy: 74>>>>>>>>>75
Shot Power: 78>>>>>>>>>>76
Shot Technique: 76>>>>>>>ok
Free Kick Accuracy: 71 ok
Curling: 77 ok
Header: 70 ok
Jump: 76 ok
Technique: 85 >>>>>>>83/84
Aggression: 86>>>>>>>>83
Tenacity: 76 ok
Keeper Skills: 50
Team Work: 75 >>>>>>>>78


*Passing (LPA for me 81 it's good number and SPA 79 too) I would REMOVE passing (SPECIAL ABILITY)
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Re: LUCAS (Discussing Thread)

Postby DarlanSM » 2010 Nov 19, 16:50

I agree tamaguchi_japa stats,great job :D

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Re: LUCAS (Discussing Thread)

Postby carriero » 2010 Nov 19, 17:46

i agree with japa set but only disagree in *passing..

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Re: LUCAS (Discussing Thread)

Postby tamaguchi_japa » 2010 Nov 21, 15:07

lets finish this discussion to create a thread for him. i still have 3 questions:

do everybody agree with my set? or we still have some disagreed values?

and what u guys think about passing?

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Re: LUCAS (Discussing Thread)

Postby rotchild » 2010 Dec 03, 07:12

I agree with your set mate, and I believe that he deserves *passing star

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Re: LUCAS (Discussing Thread)

Postby tamaguchi_japa » 2010 Dec 08, 15:40

ok thanks mate, but we still need more agrees to finish it...

PS: i'm going to wait until saturday, if nobody disagree i'll update 1st post ;)

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Re: LUCAS (Discussing Thread)

Postby rotchild » 2010 Dec 14, 04:53

Please update 1st post

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